Purple Dioxazine Substitute - WetCanvas: Online Life for Artists (2023)

DonnasArt

I have a suggestion that requires this in a join and I don't. Any idea? .

The mix calls for cobalt blue, dioxazine purple, and a bit of yellow ochre.

Thanks in advance!

Nancy MP

donna, Dioxazine Purple is one of those beautiful transparent colors that cannot be mixed. You could try using a little ultramarine blue and alizarin carmine as a substitute, but it wouldn't have the same effect as dioxazine.

I wouldn't be without

DonnasArt

Danke Nancy!

I promised myself to stop buying art supplies!
I have things I don't know how to use and the color was a challenge. For that, I'm trying to work with a limited palette in hopes of learning more about blending.

What happened in this case is that I took a picture of a dog that I wanted to paint. I was getting ready to go but looked at some kind of pet reference to check the anatomy of the eyes and nose. Lo and behold, there was a picture of a cat with the perfect color I wanted for my dog; with prescription

It's a rich color.

Well, maybe I have to give in.

Lorenz

I liked ultramarine violet as a transparent violet. However, it won't be as intense as dioxazine and probably a little cooler. Grumbacher sells a cheap tube.

Decoration

However, it won't be very transparent or intense when you add the ocher yellow.

Instead of "recipes", check out thesemetaPaint what you're looking for and see if you can match the colors you already have.

I agree that you can't mix anything that goes with pure dioxazine purple, but mixing something that goes with this mix recipe might be another matter.

Davi

Anonymous

dona,

Danke Nancy!

I promised myself to stop buying art supplies!
[COLOR=”red]Frugal, but not that fun.[/COLOR]
I have things I don't know how to use and the color was a challenge. For that, I'm trying to work with a limited palette in hopes of learning more about blending.
[COLOR="red]Lots of help here and also on the blending/color theory forum.[/COLOR]
It's a rich color.
[COLOR=”red]Show us if you can, we also like rich.[/COLOR]
Well, maybe I have to give in.
[COLOR=”Red]I can understand that.[/COLOR]

Moderator stapeliad, New York

I promised myself to stop buying art supplies!

Good luck with that.

Lady Mars Orangenmarmelade Stapleford
Moderation: oils, pastels, plein air
Be yourself, everyone else is already busy. -Oscar Wilde

DonnasArt

dona,

ACCORDINGLY. Here's my husband... I think I'll go to the art supply store. :rolleyes: I can't actually imagine those colors creating this, but it certainly seems like a coincidence in the book that describes it. I think I can play something. Do you have any brand recommendations for those who are familiar with it? And how would you start? white base or would you consider the color as medium?

For the eyes, the book shows the use of black, autumnal brown and two shades of gray, Quaker and Hippo. I'm not going there!! I will sign this. And for white, I counted only seven in my reserve (but, of course, I don't know which one to take)!!! :confused:

Joy CF

I promised myself to stop buying art supplies!

Do books count? There's nothing like buying new art supplies or a new book... I just bought this book.Blue and yellow don't make greenby Michael Wilcox. I found it very useful with color mixing, although I have little experience with color mixing.

Happy painting!
Happiness

DonnasArt

Do books count? There's nothing like buying new art supplies or a new book... I just bought this book. [U]Blue and yellow don't make green[/U] by Michael Wilcox. I found it very useful with color mixing, although I have little experience with color mixing.

Happy painting!
Happiness

That's part of my problem! Every time I read a book, the artist uses a color I don't have. This and the job search on the Internet! Add to this the advertising from vendors who would try to convince you that if you used their stuff the next one would be a masterpiece and I ended up with stuff I don't know how to use. :lol: Sometimes I forget why I bought it and what it should be.

This brings me to a question. Do professionals keep track of what they use in a painting?

I have a few that I can barely remember if they were oil or acrylic, let alone remember the colors. I fixed it because I decided to stick with the oils. That's why a limited palette and the "Keep It Simple Stupid" approach are so appealing. I have a lot of items to work on and a lot to learn! :)

gunzorro

Donna - You need better books!

I don't normally recommend Wilcox's book, but it's certainly better than what you studied.

You have to learn what pigments do for yourself and not rely on formulas.

And I can't see how this color will work on your dog except in the most difficult forms. You should start with colors similar to those in the photo: black, white, earth red (transparent red oxide may be most useful) and maybe a few others like green to neutralize earth red tones. Not unlike a human portrait palette, actually!

Moderator stapeliad, New York

You have to learn what pigments do for yourself and not rely on formulas.

Quoted to emphasize...

donna, There is no magic formula; in fact, you can mix almost anything from a basic palette. People often use different pigments and end up with the same (or extremely similar) result. It is about knowing how the pigments interact. That's why you can ask for skin tone recipes and get 20 different answers... they all work.

Honestly, I think you can make this paint with a good red base (like Cad Red Medium or equivalent OR maybe even an earthy red like Venetian Red), ocher yellow, French ultramarine, burnt amber, and a black. (and titanium white)

D purpleit's a wonderful color and I wouldn't discourage anyone from buying it because it's a great color (and I generally never discourage people from buying colors :p) but my recommendation would be to use colors you already have and see what happens.

Lady Mars Orangenmarmelade Stapleford
Moderation: oils, pastels, plein air
Be yourself, everyone else is already busy. -Oscar Wilde

schravix

Nancy is right, there is no real substitute for dioxazine. Go ahead and buy a tube, it will last you a lifetime... It's very strong.

Joy CF

Here is some information I found about Dioxanine Purple on Dick Blick's website. (I like them a lot)... I'm trying to match my colors to the list of materials provided, in a class I'm taking on realistic portraiture... I hope.

Here is the information I got:
Gamblin Artists oil paints
00401-6023 - Dioxazine purple

This paint contains the following pigments:

PV23 – Dioxazinvioleta

pigment type
organic
Chemical name
Carbazoldioxazina
chemical formula
C34H22Cl2N4O2
Characteristics
Dioxazine violet is transparent and has a very high color strength. It is a coloring pigment rated very dark when used at full strength. When concentrated, it paints almost black, but mixes with Titanium White to form bright, opaque purples. PV23 produces slightly redder tones than PV37. As the hue may vary depending on manufacturing and grinding conditions, it may be offered in red tones, blue tones, etc.
durability
Dioxazine violet has good light fastness. There may be concerns that it will fade or change color with dyeing and washing. Some artists have reported that PV37, a molecular variant, is more resistant to fading than PV23.
toxicity
n / D
History
Two molecular variants of dioxazine violet, PV23 and PV37, are available. They have similar properties but mix slightly differently.
alternative names
Dioxazine purple, chromotal violet, mauve, carbazol violet.

Happy painting.
Happiness

cristal1

I found that the phallus blue and magenta make a beautiful transparent violet. It might not help in this case, but it should help if you're trying to make pretty violets with paints you already have on hand.